Andreth

thearrogantemu:

1-3 things I enjoy about them

  • That
    she gets to, essentially, speak for the entire human race in the worldbuilding
    of the legendarium. She gets to be the voice of the most fundamental questions
    in that or in any world, and she queries her creator as sharply as she does her
    interlocutor (hashtag practical theodicy with the House of Beor).
  • Several
    things about the Athrabeth remind me of the Statute of Finwe and Miriel, where
    the Valar debate what it means that Death has come into Aman. The options seem
    to be “surely this situation can’t be all that bad; our Creator wouldn’t have
    done that to us”, and, if the situation really is all that bad, then surely
    there must have been something done to deserve it. But unlike the conversation
    of the Valar in the Statute, here the sufferers of the wrong within the world
    have a voice and are not merely the subject of the consternation of the great. Andreth
    forces Finrod to see her point and acknowledge the reality of her suffering. Because
    of her presence and her insistence, she eventually wrings out of Finrod an
    insight, I think, considerably deeper and more ambiguous than he himself had
    anticipated. Her insistence that while memory may be enough for the Elves, it
    is not enough for Men, not enough for her.
  • Tolkien’s “hmm, they
    are about to talk themselves into Elf Christianity and that is definitely not a
    thing in this world, must revisit later.”

Something interesting about them based on
tenuous circumstantial evidence

Though we see her
being honest about pain, doubt, and bitterness in the Athrabeth, I think she was
not a bitter person, but actually had a brilliant (and rather
earthy) sense of humor. (My tenuous circumstantial evidence: Anglo-Saxon
poetry, which ranges from “The hope we are told that Heaven offers us seems
unreal and distant in the face of the loss which permeates our lives” to “Hah,
made you think it was a dick but it’s actually an onion” without batting a
metaphorical cultural eye.)

A question I have about them

Everything about
Beorian culture???

A random relevant line I like

 Oh man, the Athrabeth
pulls no punches, and it just gets more and more intense as it goes on, but for
a picture of Andreth’s character, it doesn’t get better than this: And
then suddenly I beheld as a vision Arda Remade; and there the Eldar completed
but not ended could abide in the present for ever, and there walk, maybe, with
the Children of Men, their deliverers, and sing to them such songs as, even in
the Bliss beyond bliss, should make the green valleys ring and the everlasting
mountain-tops to throb like harps.’

Then Andreth looked under her brows at Finrod:
‘And what, when ye were not singing, would ye say to us?’ she asked.

THAT IS SOME HOBBIT-GRADE SASS RIGHT THERE.

My preferred version, if there is more than
one version of their story (or part of their story)

I just wish she had
made it into the published version!

Favorite relationship(s)

Okay, while I love
that with Aegnor we finally get a  human woman
falling in love with one of the Elves (AND we get a woman as the figure of
tragic romance, the lover who cannot attain the beautiful, distant beloved) I
still have to say her relationship with Finrod, as it comes through in the Athrabeth, is my favorite. Despite the
intervening layers of narration and history, it comes through quite clearly in
the intensity and honesty of their conversation, the way they both start out
seeing themselves as educating the other but come to reveal their own deepest
hopes, sorrows, and uncertainties, and, I think, push themselves beyond the
understanding they had at the outset. Perhaps you’ve had that sort of
conversation, where you don’t just reveal yourself to another person, they don’t
just reveal themselves to you, but together you come to insight that genuinely
changes you.  

How would they react to Tom Bombadil

She would
be intensely satisfied that here at least in creation is something the Elves
cannot account for. (Also, I’m so sorry she never got to meet hobbits. I think
that she and Sam would get along famously.)

Optional: Something about them that I think
people forget

She outlives Aegnor.

vefanyar:

Andreth Adaneth Saelind of the House of Bëor

Of the Wise some were women, and they were greatly esteemed among Men, especially for their knowledge of the legends of ancient days. Another Wise-woman was Adanel of the People of Marach, whose lore and traditions, and their language also, were different from those of the People of Bëor. In her youth Andreth had learned from Adanel much of the lore of the People of Marach, besides the lore of her own folk.

Wait, that wasn’t a short phrase or word! Sorry! “That’s LIKE a dog, though…”

Andreth expected to find Finrod sitting on the bench in the clearing around the old well, with his hands clasped over his knees, or failing that, trying to see down the well, but certainly not lying on the grass playing with a—

“My lord?”

“Andreth! It has been too long. How is your family? What news have you? Do you have any matters of import to discuss?”

“Is that a wolf pup?”

The wolf pup in question wriggled its plump furry body in excitement and chewed on Finrod’s ear with gusto. He absently put a hand over its muzzle and rolled onto his stomach in a tangle of blond hair.

“Apologies for my state. Of clothing, and other…states. Yes! ‘Tis a wolf pup. I killed the mother so I took her with me and intend to raise her as a dog.”

“A dog.”

“Yes!”

“A dog. Which is not a wolf. Yet that is.”

“Too true, and to that I shall say: that’s like a dog, though…” He trailed off significantly, as if expecting, or insisting, that his sentence would be, or ought to be, finished by another, and looked at Andreth from the corner of his eyes.

Andreth pursed her lips, walked to the well, took a drink from the dipper, and then sat heavily down on its edge. “Very well. I had thought that you might have a concern or a theory of the states of the creatures of Arda that you wished to propose to me, but it seems I am mistaken. Allow me to ask of your wisdom a question then: how is a wolf like a dog?”

Finrod broke into a brilliant toothy grin before schooling his features and kneeling up with a look of great intrigue and earnestness. “Why Andreth, do you not know how dogs came to be?”

“I know of dogs quite well. I live in a house with many.”

“On the Great Journey, my grandfathers and grandmothers were beset by creatures of Morgoth, including wolves, many times, but slew them. Many orphaned pups followed them toward the sea, and at the end some were taken to Aman by the kindest and most stubborn of elves, for the pups were small and helpless, and did not greatly resemble their cruel sires. And lo! When they grew to adulthood, they were gentle and beautiful, and their children still more so, and lived long and were our friends.”

“Indeed?”

“It is true as far as I know it.”

“Why, I believe I see your intent.” Andreth leaned forward, elbow on one knee, to bring her face close to Finrod’s. “The Enemy has now marred much that was once fair, yet these dogs were born of marred creatures and were made fair in your Valinor. One might guess it was done by Valinor, yet—”

“Yes?”

“Yet we have dogs here in these lands as well, even in the east. So it is not Valinor that is needed to raise creatures that are whole from ones that are marred.”

“Yes!” Finrod sat cross-legged and drew the wolf pup into his lap. He looked at Andreth expectantly.

Andreth sighed.

“It is as elves and orcs are, you mean, my lord. Though it seems, in reverse as well.”

“Indeed I do, are orcs not all marring? Not only elves who are marred, but they are the marring in itself, and the elf is set aside.”

“So you propose by this, that some marrings may be undone, perhaps, and so the course of the world and all its life and creatures may yet slope upwards if the tides and practices of its peoples align all aright.”

“In theory, perhaps, but perhaps yet the opposite. I doubt this upwards slope for I feel I am in error, but do not yet see by what means I erred. Though the planes of our imaginings in this sphere of thought are fraught. Our words cleave to our memories and trace the shapes of those cross-sections that occur when another thing intersects us, and not the thing itself. These shapes and these words, which are in the mind, and which are twined and have always been twined since our awakening with a world marred, and so what is may not be what is true, nor what it was meant to be, nor what it should be. Wolves we say are marring, marred, and a marring, all at once, and yet what were wolves in the beginning, and what were they meant to be? We have never seen their true forms. Dogs? But dogs are only what results when the wolves become the beasts of Man and Elf and share their lives, and so true wolves surely cannot be dogs — dogs are not a creature with essence independent, and solely of themselves. Yet are dogs closer to what was the truth of wolves in the beginning? Or farther, and yet fairer nonetheless?”

He paused for breath. Then paused for more.

“I see you have started without me and skipped forward to the exciting part.”

“No I did not, these words grew even as I spoke, forgive me. Andreth, what are dogs to your people, and what are your people to dogs — dogs as they are now, as you know them in your house?”

“What they are now? Friends and hunters, whose bark means danger and yet is more trusted and more of a comfort than any sound, for it means that though danger is all around and for all time, we are not alone with it in the dark. And I presume that we, to them, are whom they beckon when danger comes, though they know not what we might do against it. The danger may be wolves or not, yet they bark to summon or warn us, wolf or no, for they know that the danger is the marring, and not the wolf.”

“Memories of what things were in the beginning are not your domain, but to seek what lies behind a thing is? Saelind! Your words are the essence of your people.”

“I have heard that flattery will lead one round and round on paths one never wished to take and constrain one to pile one’s tongue with words of fools, my lord, so as to appear at least consistent.” Andreth handed him the dipper and crossed her legs. She frowned down at the wolf pup, docile and content with all its adult form’s sharp lean edges blunted.

“If you told all this to your wolf pup, would she grow wise? Or if you told it to the dogs, would they care why they bark? A grown wolf then, or an orc? Shall they listen?”

Finrod sighed. “No I suppose not. It was a study of thoughts and words, and the word “if” most of all.” He settled on his back on the sunlit grass, arms behind his head and eyes closed. “Yet how came dogs to be what they are to Men, Andreth? By what tales do your people know what they know of them?”

Andreth raised an eyebrow at the elf and the wolf pup curled at her feet, and grinned unseen.

“Our tales say we bestowed upon them names, of course. Of our own choosing, of words that fit their attributes as we saw them.”

“Indeed! Names are the first among all spoken words, most of all for those dear and well-known.”

Andreth shook her head. She would wait.

“We learned from watching and working with them much wisdom, of things we knew not about the world, and their abilities beyond our ken saved our lives times innumerable.”

“The wisdom of wild creatures, yes. It is likewise with elves and our horses.”

He still did not notice. Andreth slid down to kneel next to him, and spoke a little more loudly, and slowly.

“And some of the prideful among us believe that perhaps through us, they could turn their purpose to something other than their own survival, and become creatures unbound to the whims of the world around them, through our deliverance, lord.”

“A symbiotic relationship in your early days, by which you lifted yourselves out of the darkness, certainly!”

Andreth grinned wider and sat back on her heels. “And in the earliest meetings, they were the only creature who approached our fire, and were not repelled by it as other creatures were, and so by this we knew them as a friend!”

“A most understandable meeting, commonalities and symbols of meaning between diff—”

Finrod’s eyes flew open and he sat bolt upright. “Hold, wait just a minute you—!”

But Andreth had already swept out of the clearing with the wolf pup at her heels, leaving laughter scattering in her wake.